Sunday, 3 July 2011

Philip Bell versus reality - reality takes a two nil lead

Philip Bell of Creation Ministries International doesn't like the BCSE.  It might be because we draw attention to his views on dinosaurs roaming medieval England, his previous fibbing to academics to trick them into appearing in a creationist film or his claims to school children in Exeter that his view that the world is only 6,000 years old is a respectable scientific position.

Now he has written to CMI supporters and told them about the CrISIS letter to Mr Gove.

Of course he can't bring himself to tell his supporters the actual truth and has instead decided to misrepresent the letter by the simple expedient of missing out key words.

He writes:
"In May new guidelines from the Department for Education were issued that outlaw any teaching of evolution-contradicting viewpoints in school science lessons. However, groups like CrISIS, in a press release, want much more: "to specifically prevent creationism being taught ...in any lesson or activity to children in state funded schools." If their wishes were ever granted, not only would it prevent outside Creation speakers from being invited into RE lessons and assemblies, but no teacher (regardless of the subject) could teach about these issues!"
Did you spot the tell tale ". . .".

This is what he missed out:
"Creationism is known, and officially acknowledged, to be contrary to scientific fact. We therefore demand that creationism should not be presented as a valid scientific position, nor creationist websites and resources be promoted, in publicly funded schools or in any youth activities run on publicly funded school premises."(my emphasis)
Thanks once again Phil for showing your true colours.

3 comments:

  1. ashley haworth-robertsSunday, July 03, 2011

    The letter is contained with CMI's latest 'Prayer News', which has been sent out by post and appears not to be available electronically (I have unintentionally ended up on their mailing list).
    If recipients of the Prayer News are unfamiliar with the wording of the CrISIS petition, and don't bother to follow up Philip Bell's footnotes, they will probably come away with the impression that ANY mention or brief discussion of creationism might be censored in state schools in future (even if a teacher was asked a question about it by a student in either science or religious studies).
    Ashley Haworth-Roberts

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  2. ashley haworth-robertsTuesday, July 12, 2011

    I have received the following email from Philip Bell today:


    Contrary to the assertion by several people on the BCSE blog (which I practically never look at incidentally but did so re: the link you sent below), I and my colleagues do not wilfully tell lies. I have two comments to make in this regard:

    1. When I was invited to join Rev Canon David Jennings (one of the signatories on the CrISIS News Release) on BBC Radio Leicester, I specifically asked him, on air, whether he wished to see people like me denied any access to school pupils to teach my creationist views, even in RE, he unambiguously affirmed this to be the case. I have already spoken with you at length on the telephone regarding what I taught at the Exeter school and made it clear to you that I presented my faith views as precisely that, not as empirical scientific facts. However, as both a scientist and educator by background and training, I am also conversant with scientific facts and those do not change whoever is teaching them.

    2. On the issue of telling the truth, I note that the blog entry on the BCSE site makes accusations about me that are entirely untrue—so it’s a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

    E.g. here, , it is claimed Apparently Bell believes that UFOs are manned by fallen angels who abduct members of the public. http://bcseweb.org.uk/index.php/Main/PhilipBell

    I have never suggested anything of the sort nor have ever believed this to be the case. Also, abductors claim to come from another dimension, and all of them support Darwin’s theory of evolution, he has claimed. Whoever it was who heard me give a talk on this subject must have a very poor memory recall or a very poor note-taking ability; or perhaps it’s just deliberate misrepresentation. I think we both know that the latter option is likely to be the correct reason. Neither, did I say (or ever have said) that dinosaurs roamed Britain in Tudor times. I identified an engraving in brass on a fifteenth century tomb as looking remarkable like a sauropod dinosaur but have never dogmatically asserted that it can only be such a creature. It is a non sequitur to then claim, from my words that these creatures were literally roamed the English countryside—which I neither said, hinted at , or implied. On the contrary, I have always maintained that any such creatures, by this period of history, would have been rare sightings only but that the evidence of that engraving suggests the artisan may well have been aware of such creatures having been seen travellers (or indeed by himself/herself)—not necessarily even within Britain. However, it’s much more fun for the BCSE faithful to imagine that Bell is ‘clearly raving bonkers’ of course, and to be given apparent evidence of this.

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  3. Thanks Ashley,

    Apparently Bell has not heard the expression "when in a hole stop digging". He doesn't think Dinosaurs where in Medieval britain . . . he thinks there were dinosaurs in Medieval britain.

    ??

    He presented creationism as "a valid scientific position" - those are the words he didn't want people to know about re the CrISIS petition and letter.

    Here he is again confirming that he does this but simply says he believes that creationism is a valid scientific position.

    Sigh.

    And no hint of any awareness that missing out those words in his letter to his follows is dishonesty of the first degree.

    A fantastic example of why he is an unsuitable person to let loose on school children.

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